BB94 – Rallying for Rails with Auriel Fournier

Auriel Fournier is a PhD candidate at the University of Arkansas studying rail ecology & migration. She tells us why she loves rails, how she learned to fix a flooded out ATV, and why unpaid internships in biology are harming our future.

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“At least they don’t seal the fire exits” Or why unpaid internships are BS by Auriel Fournier
Why volunteer field techs are a bad idea by Dr. Alex Bond
Crap Wildlife “Jobs” tumblr

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Breaking Bio Bonus! #AltActober Round Up

October has come to an end, and with it our little #AltActober experiment for this year. Looking back, I think it’s fair to say our month-long exploration of careers outside the academy was not only a success, but also a lot of fun, and gave us an easy excuse to talk to some really fabulous scientists doing a broad range of cool things. I know that I learned a lot by speaking with them, and I hope that you found it useful and entertaining to listen to as well.

One of the things that we tried to do across the month was get specific advice from each guest for anyone who is currently sitting at their desk right now and contemplating whether they want to keep going in academia, or maybe whether it’s time to start looking elsewhere for a successful and fulfilling career. Seeing how there are probably more than a few listeners out there right now contemplating such a move, I thought I’d compile all the given advice in one handy, easy-to-share place so people can refer back to it when they need to.

Ariel Zych, Education Manager (Public Radio) (Ep 89)

  • Network: “Have a coffee with anyone you can who has a job even remotely similar to what you want.”
  • Moonlight: “Try out some of the skills, behaviours, or activities that might be associated with the career that you want to jump to.”

Dr. Nate Dappen & Dr. Neil Losin, Wildlife Filmmakers (Ep 90)

  • Have a Buddy or Support System: “Do it with a buddy if you can; it makes such a difference in keeping your motivation up, in just making the logistics of doing something different even possible in some cases.”
  • Experiment: “Start doing it while you’re a grad student, and start trying to do it well and at a professional level while you’re a grad student.”
  • Start small: “Great way to get practice, to get connected with other filmmakers, and to get some credibility when you move into the field.”
  • Take some chances: “Big festivals help you get connected to other young filmmakers who are trying to find connections and build a community.”

Dr. Kelley Remole, University Administration & Outreach Professional (Ep 91)

  • Figure out what you’re interested in and go after it: “I think that people figure out what they’re going to do for a PhD asking themselves that exact question, and they shouldn’t think that’s the last time they’re going to ask themselves that question.”
  • Reassess your situation regularly: “Am I doing what I’m really good at and what I get a lot of fulfillment from?”

Dr. Stephanie Kadison, High School Educator (Ep 92)

  • Network & volunteer with established organizations: “I recommend doing after-school mentorship programs if you have the time and your PI allows you to leave the bench for that many hours a week.”
  • Keep an open mind: “You never know which opportunities will come your way!”

Dr. Sheba Agarwal-Jans, Journal Publisher (Ep 93)

  • Self-reflection: “I think it’s very important to sit back and really, really look at yourself and see what it is that you enjoy to do.”
  • Work on your CV: “The academic CV is not going to work in industry!”
  • Network: “Go to job fairs, look at the different companies that you think are interesting, and attend industry seminars.”
  • Make yourself memorable: “What you want to do is make an impression on somebody.”
  • Practice Interviews: “I think interviews in industry are very, very different than they are in academia.”

So there you have it, the advice from all of our #AltActober guests on how to prepare for a world outside academia!

If you found this series or any of the advice from our guests helpful, please let us know in the comments or on Twitter (@BreakingBio), and be sure to use the #AltActober hashtag! And if you’re considering taking a jump of your own out of academia, good luck, and maybe one day you can come back and tell us all about your own journey on a future episode of Breaking Bio.

– Morgan

BB 93 – Behind The Scenes at Elsevier with Dr. Sheba Agarwal-Jans #AltActober

Dr. Sheba Agarwal-Jans went from submitting & reviewing papers as a post-doctoral fellow to managing multiple journals as a publisher for Elsevier. She joins us for the last instalment of #AltActober to share her journey and provide some insights into how mega-publishers function.

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